Thoughts on Value systems and Religion
Jul. 11th, 2008 10:08 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
I'm sitting in a Tullys (bless them for free wifi throughout the day; this, Starbucks, is why I spent the week at Tullys instead of with you...LEARN SOMETHING), and am reading Elf's brain today, specifically about the anti-gay Alabama A.G. who is rumored to have been caught by his wife playing "hide the salami" with his male aide. And in a pathway that is too complicated and insane to repeat to you, I started thinking about how we, as a country, are so stuck on religion as our platform for delivering a moral/ethical value system.
It occurred to me that religion doesn't do that at all. Beyond the formal term "religion" really being meant to refer to a spiritual system that has become "corporatized" complete with policies to follow, possibly a book to guide the adherents, priests to "lay down the law" as it were...even beyond that, calling religion just a spiritual system, still, we in this country actually don't use it as our basis for our value system.
We have a value system set apart from religion/spirituality. In fact, we determine which religions are "legitimate" in this country *based* on this non-spiritual/religious value system. Many in this country claim that we follow a "Christian-based" value system, but that is wrong, because not only has Christianity changed over the years and centuries, while our value system has in fact gone in different directions, but Christians in this country practice the faith differently from Christians in other countries.
In other words, our non-religious value system *molds* the religions that it comes into contact with to become more like itself. This is the reason that we feel so uncomfortable with religious groups that refuse to use medicine to treat their dying children, rather using prayer (which *does not work* without medicine...even medieval monks knew that!), or groups that force totalitarian dictatorships upon their cult groups, or groups that try to spiritualize science by removing all of the facts that they don't agree with. Because all of these violate our values systems in this country.
And that is the message that we need to get out to push in the face of the religious-right which strives to claim only one religion has cornered the market on values, ethics, and morals in this country.
It occurred to me that religion doesn't do that at all. Beyond the formal term "religion" really being meant to refer to a spiritual system that has become "corporatized" complete with policies to follow, possibly a book to guide the adherents, priests to "lay down the law" as it were...even beyond that, calling religion just a spiritual system, still, we in this country actually don't use it as our basis for our value system.
We have a value system set apart from religion/spirituality. In fact, we determine which religions are "legitimate" in this country *based* on this non-spiritual/religious value system. Many in this country claim that we follow a "Christian-based" value system, but that is wrong, because not only has Christianity changed over the years and centuries, while our value system has in fact gone in different directions, but Christians in this country practice the faith differently from Christians in other countries.
In other words, our non-religious value system *molds* the religions that it comes into contact with to become more like itself. This is the reason that we feel so uncomfortable with religious groups that refuse to use medicine to treat their dying children, rather using prayer (which *does not work* without medicine...even medieval monks knew that!), or groups that force totalitarian dictatorships upon their cult groups, or groups that try to spiritualize science by removing all of the facts that they don't agree with. Because all of these violate our values systems in this country.
And that is the message that we need to get out to push in the face of the religious-right which strives to claim only one religion has cornered the market on values, ethics, and morals in this country.
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Date: 2008-07-13 07:42 am (UTC)(no subject)
From:religion and sleep
Date: 2008-07-31 10:24 am (UTC)as for religion(hang on) i think the bible, koran, and the rest are all crap. but they do all have one thing in common and thats the underlying belief in something. wether its a God or Gods or whatever religion only works if you believe in something. i dont really believe in any religion, i just believe in myself. i have the power in my own head to accomplish anything i want to, i just have to believe i can and i will. its the actual confidence in myself to do whatever i want to that makes things happen. some people dont have that ability to believe in themselves so they pray to a god to help them. but after they pray they are now confident he will help them so they now believe they can do whatever they prayed for, which is basically the same thing. i just cut out the middle man. lol they also use religion in reverse so they dont have to blame themselves for there short comings. if they cant do something its not because they didnt try or work hard enough at it. God just didnt want them to do it. which is really just a cop out. a way for them not to have say to themselves " i just didnt try hard enough" if you study every religion there ever was they all have the same theme. believe and you will succeed. i just choose to believe in me.
havent had a seizure in a year or two(i think) but i still cant remember what i did 5 mins ago, so the memory is still very fucked up. nobody can find any reason for it either. saw judge last month for disability hearing, i think it went well. i should know soon if there going to give me any help.
tell the family i said hi. take care of yourself. talk to you soon or the next time i remember you have a journal. lol bye