This post is not about how much the input of Federal taxes impact each state's economy individually, but on the whole how much each state is contributing towards other states. In other words, the fact that the Federal government collects more taxes in the majority of states that voted for Obama and redistributes them to the majority of states that voted for Romney says that the majority of states that voted for Romney would be operating at a deficit if they formed their own union just to start off.
The numbers don't have to include the past few years because those numbers would just shift everyone down the chart equally. I mean, do you honestly think the more blue states would be producing less taxes and more red states producing more taxes during this recession?? I don't think so.
As for unfunded mandates, that is absolutely correct. Lets take a look at a few known ones, and unknown ones that this new union would suddenly have to deal with.
Medicare: If you think these red states would suddenly just dump Medicare entirely without any similar program being implemented then you are very foolish. There are plenty of elderly in each state and lots of people who can't get any health insurance. I'm sure those red states will try to ignore the problem for as long as possible, but once Obamacare is gone, the issue will smack them in the face. The citizens will recognize the issue and eventually demand a solution.
Bookkeeping expenses: I'd be interested in seeing the figures you have that show that each state spends a significant amount of money that really impacts their budget.
Military: Right now, the Federal government pays for the defense of the union. But if this new red union is to exist, it will have to create it's own defense. And considering that it believes that paying for defense is the most important expense out there, that will mean a significant impact on the states that secede. Their taxes pay for it now. They will have to continue paying for it, and there will be a rise as they have to pay for new installations, recruitment (many soldiers in current bases live in different states...they will go home to those states after a state secedes and that state will have to recruit, train, and purchase supplies for the new soldiers), weaponry, etc. Obviously the Federal government will not allow the seceding state to keep the Feds weapons and other military items.
Customs and border control: They will have to create and fund customs and border control, and gather taxes to pay for it.
And consider whether each state decides to secede separately. They would have to do each of these things THEMSELVES.
You give a lot of opinion in your response, but no facts. You might want to provide some actual numbers to back yourself up (like, for example, just how much these "office full of workers" cost that impact state budgets that would NOT impact them if they set up their own system after secession).
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Date: 2012-11-10 04:34 pm (UTC)The numbers don't have to include the past few years because those numbers would just shift everyone down the chart equally. I mean, do you honestly think the more blue states would be producing less taxes and more red states producing more taxes during this recession?? I don't think so.
As for unfunded mandates, that is absolutely correct. Lets take a look at a few known ones, and unknown ones that this new union would suddenly have to deal with.
Medicare: If you think these red states would suddenly just dump Medicare entirely without any similar program being implemented then you are very foolish. There are plenty of elderly in each state and lots of people who can't get any health insurance. I'm sure those red states will try to ignore the problem for as long as possible, but once Obamacare is gone, the issue will smack them in the face. The citizens will recognize the issue and eventually demand a solution.
Bookkeeping expenses: I'd be interested in seeing the figures you have that show that each state spends a significant amount of money that really impacts their budget.
Military: Right now, the Federal government pays for the defense of the union. But if this new red union is to exist, it will have to create it's own defense. And considering that it believes that paying for defense is the most important expense out there, that will mean a significant impact on the states that secede. Their taxes pay for it now. They will have to continue paying for it, and there will be a rise as they have to pay for new installations, recruitment (many soldiers in current bases live in different states...they will go home to those states after a state secedes and that state will have to recruit, train, and purchase supplies for the new soldiers), weaponry, etc. Obviously the Federal government will not allow the seceding state to keep the Feds weapons and other military items.
Customs and border control: They will have to create and fund customs and border control, and gather taxes to pay for it.
And consider whether each state decides to secede separately. They would have to do each of these things THEMSELVES.
You give a lot of opinion in your response, but no facts. You might want to provide some actual numbers to back yourself up (like, for example, just how much these "office full of workers" cost that impact state budgets that would NOT impact them if they set up their own system after secession).